DeathCare: British National Health Service Scandal...Up To 1,200 Patients Died Unnecessarily...Patients 'Routinely Neglected'...

This is what the Obamacrats want to bring to this country. Suffering and death in the guise of humanism...

 *Up to 1,200 patients died unnecessarily because of appalling care

* Labour's obsession with targets and box ticking blamed for scandal

* Patients were 'routinely neglected' at hospital

* Report calls for FOURTH investigation into scandal

Not a single official has been disciplined over the worst-ever NHS hospital scandal, it emerged last night.

Up to 1,200 people lost their lives needlessly because Mid-Staffordshire NHS Trust put government targets and cost-cutting ahead of patient care.

But none of the doctors, nurses and managers who failed them has suffered any formal sanction.

Indeed, some have either retired on lucrative pensions or have swiftly found new jobs.

Former chief executive Martin Yeates, who has since left with a £1million pension pot, six months' salary and a reported £400,000 payoff, did not even give evidence to the inquiry which detailed the scale of the scandal yesterday.

He was said to be medically unfit to do so, though he sent some information to chairman Robert Francis through his solicitor.

The devastating-report into the Stafford Hospital-shambles' laid waste to Labour's decade-long obsession with box-ticking and league tables.

The independent inquiry headed by Robert Francis QC found the safety of sick and dying patients was 'routinely neglected'. Others were subjected to ' inhumane treatment', 'bullying', 'abuse' and 'rudeness'.

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[Baraka]

dude do not pass this freak of a bill

[Eagle fly free]

We have socialised medicine here in Aus, it may not be perfect but at least everyone gets looked after. Why is it that I only here the horror stories about socialised medicine on this site. Tell me about your shitty health care there in the USA, do they only treat those that have health insurance. Don't forget you have socialised police force, fire brigade and military. I have a friend her is being treated here in Aus. for a brain tumor, and he is getting the same treatment as any millionaire would get with the best health insurance. I am not saying you can't keep you shitty medicine you have there in USA but don't criticize other nations health care, especially if you know nothing about it.

[FreeThinkerNY]

Eagle fly free

I don't know what cesspool you managed to dredge your ignorant opinion from, but we don't have "shitty medicine." We have the best health care in the world. People without health insurance receive the treatment they need. No one is turned away from receiving emergency medical care, not even illegal aliens. We have excellent doctors, nurses, hospitals and clinics. People come here from foreign countries for treatment they can't receive in socialized medicine hellholes.

Deal with the issue of the deteriorating state of socialized medicine in Great Britain instead of trying to employ the pathetic liberal technique of changing the subject.

In Great Britain you sometimes have to wait for years to receive care you can get here almost immediately.
I speak from personal experience. A few years ago, I was suffering from a health problem. While doing some online research about it I discovered that in England, people with the same problem I had had to wait for 2 years just to see a specialist. I saw one in a few days.

Socialized medicine inevitably destroys the overall quality of health care. It eats away like a cancer. We don't need it here.

[Commonsenseagainstislam.blogspot.com]

Here we go again. Americans having a go at our "socialised medicine" out of ignorance.

Each area in the UK has an Area Health Authority, there are hundreds of them. They are autonomous. If one is run badly run you get stories like this which the media expose. The fact that this is news means it is not normal news. You cannot lambast the whole system because of this story. It is not typical.

Who, in these credit crunch times can afford $500 a month per person for health insurance? If you haven't got health insurance does the emergency room deal with diagnosis and treatment BEFORE the cancer takes hold?

One final point. Waiting for treatment here is OLD NEWS. FreethinkerNY said:

"In Great Britain you sometimes have to wait for years to receive care you can get here almost immediately.
I speak from personal experience. A few years ago, I was suffering from a health problem. While doing some online research about it I discovered that in England, people with the same problem I had had to wait for 2 years just to see a specialist. I saw one in a few days."

Anyone suspected of a life threatening disease will see a specialist within 2 weeks. An ingrown toenail might take 8 weeks. Not bad eh? and it doesn't cost $500 (and rising) a month. We pay during our working life through National Insurance AND it's compulsory & affordable.

Lay off our health system guys - we like it - and discuss the shortcomings and failings of your own.

[Eagle fly free]

Cesspool the only cesspool is the USA don't start abusing me if you don't know shit about me freethinker. The best medicine is here in Australia, don't try and compare the US and Great britain with us. I don't particular care if America has socialised medicine or not. Keep your health care system if it works for you. Freethinker my ass.

[Comrade Terry]

Congratulations on having such a fine socialized health care system, you two. Stay there, don't change it, and enjoy it.

We don't want anything to do with it. You like what you have, and we like what we have. Everyone is happy.

[Baraka]

i hope when palin becomes prez she undoes this if it passes and does not raise taxes[I.E. a severance tax]

[Commonsenseagainstislam.blogspot.com]

Comrade Terry said: "You like what you have, and we like what we have"

You may like what you have but there are a lot of Americans that don't because they are not covered and cannot afford health insurance.

In the UK I would guess that a very high percentage are in favour of our NHS but in the US a very low percentage in favour of your current system would be the case.

The thing about this site is those who are not covered or rich enough to be covered will not be making their views known here - only the self centred who don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

BTW I don't give a flying f***k what system you have but as I said don't use our system to make your point about "socialised medicine" because you all know sweet FA about it.

[Elric66]

"You may like what you have but there are a lot of Americans that don't because they are not covered and cannot afford health insurance."

So?

"The thing about this site is those who are not covered or rich enough to be covered will not be making their views known here - only the self centred who don't give a shit about anyone but themselves."

You really are trying to make friends here arent you?

[LilMissSunshine]

What a pleasure it is to hear wankers from the Nanny States defend their inability to handle their own health care - without their governments to protect them from the horrible concept of capitalism. You muzzie appeasers from the UK and Australia want everything handed to you on a silver platter - always sucking on the government teat. If you weren't such a bunch of weak-kneed sheep, the muzzies wouldn't be stealing your culture from you. Speaking of which, did I see you guys in a movie posted here the other day? You know the one, where Mo was knocking at your 'back door'! ROFL You stood still and took it, eh?

[Mart]

British NHS isnt great but it does provide for everyone which, in a way, is a good thing - if youre prepared for the widespread incompetence. The thing is, if youre poor, then incompetence and long waiting periods are better then no care at all but on the other hand if you can afford private then why would you want to downgrade???
Regardless of what the Aussie dude is saying, "British" public healthcare can seem like a game of russian roulette sometimes. I live in England and when I get ill I react the same way I react to crime - I deal with it myself and hope for the best. And that yields much better results than relying on the government.

[Comrade Terry]

"You may like what you have but there are a lot of Americans that don't because they are not covered and cannot afford health insurance."

A lot? How many is that? The majority here is very satisfied with the status quo, and do not want what is being proffered by either the Senate or the House. That's pretty much how we do things *here*, in this Representative Republic.

I realize that you folks do things somewhat differently. Good for you. Let us know how that whole sharia thing works out for you. And don't come knocking on our door when you've decided that your own nest has become too foul for your tastes. We don't need any more weak kneed appeasers than we already have, thank you very much.

[LilMissSunshine]

RE: "...And that yields much better results than relying on the government."

Here on this side of the pond, independence and self-reliance is being breed out of the population. Our children and young adults are being indoctrinated rather than instructed - told that 'Big Brother' can solve all their problems. This cancer has infected all strata of our society - a parasitical philosophy that has almost transformed the host. Yet, just a few years ago hurricane Katrina should have shown them differently.

There are all sorts of euphemisms, but generally speaking we've surrendered our liberties and freedoms to people who are willing to tell us how to live our lives. God forbid that anyone should say anything negative concerning a certain race or religion - skin color and belief paradigm trump truth every day of the week: perceptions are ALL important! I'm tired of the lying Marxists power brokers who want to run the world.

[JenBee]

All of you who love your socialized medicine need to read this article:
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/article/u.s._has_best_health_care_in_world1/52239/

As recently published by Investor Business Daily, a survey by the U.N. International Health Organization has reported:

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis: U.S. 65 percent, Eng-land 46 percent, Canada 42 percent.

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months: U.S. 93 percent, England 15 percent, Canada 43 percent.

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months: U.S. 90 percent, England 15 percent, Canada 43 percent.

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month: U.S. 77 percent, England 40 percent, Canada 43 percent.

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people: U.S. 71, England 14, Canada 18.

Percentage of seniors (65 and older) with low income who say they are in “excellent health”: U.S. 12 percent, England 2 percent, Canada 6 percent.
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Now, spin THOSE numbers with your socialized healthcare system!!

[Shawarma Wife]

I'll tell you how socialized medicine works in Israel. Overall it's fine - as far as you have minor health problems. Troubles might start when you're either very healthy or very ill. If you're a young healthy man you pay around 12% of your salary for healthcare. Yeah, that's sure for free ....
There are two ways you can visit the ER: referral and ambulance (if they decide you need it). If you drive to the ER by yourself and do not have a referral from you family Dr - you pay for the visit out of pocket. Certain drugs - very expensive ones, most of them for cancer treatment - are not covered by the HC system. Each year during the budget planning there is literally a war between politicians and sick people demanding to include those drugs into the "drug basket" as it's called. Those who need those drugs can easily go bankrupt - and no one cares.

Every time the gov. wants to build a new hospital there is a huge opposition to this from the already existing ones (because it means - budget reduction for them).
I didn't mention the medical strikes, let's say, for 3 weeks, when only emergency cases are treated. God forbid to know what it is.

We don't need to ruin the US system and then build the new one from the scratch. You don't necessary need the gov. in the middle to make the HC affordable for the poor. Notice, I said "affordable" - not for free. Besides, even in the existing system poor patients almost always can find the solution: many times it requires to pick up the phone and talk to the medical staff about the price. They'd rather accept any payment than none at all. If you think that expensive treatment is somehow free in the socialized HC - think again. It's expensive everywhere, it affects different people though.

[ImNoDhimmi]

What a disgrace. I think the nurses neglected patients because they were too busy rotating muslim's beds so they'd face Mecca 5 times a day!

Reposted from:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/27213/Nurses-told-to-turn-Muslims-beds-to-Mecca

OVERWORKED nurses have been ordered to stop all medical work five times every day to move Muslim patients' beds so they face towards Mecca.

The lengthy procedure, which also includes providing fresh bathing water, is creating turmoil among overstretched staff on bustling NHS wards.

But despite the havoc, Mid- Yorkshire NHS Trust says the rule must be instigated whenever possible to ensure Muslim patients have "a more comfortable stay in hospital".

And a taxpayer-funded training programme for several hundred hospital staff has begun to ensure that all are familiar with the workings of the Muslim faith.

The scheme is initially being run at Dewsbury and District Hospital, West Yorkshire, but is set to be introduced at other hospitals in the new year.

It comes on the back of the introduction in some NHS hospitals last year of Burka-style gowns for Muslim patients who did not wish medical staff to see their face while operating or caring for them.

Turning beds so they face towards Mecca was a key proposal put forward during the hospital meetings, along with suggestions that Muslim women should only be seen by female doctors.

Last night Conservative MP David Davies said: "Hospitals should be concentrating on stopping the spread of infections than kow-towing to the politically correct brigade.

[GibsonicallyGuitarded]

I am not saying you can't keep your shitty medicine you have there in UK-aliphate but don't criticize other nations health care, ESPECIALLY IF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

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[Donna Corbett]

Compare 1200 patients to 22000 in the USA that died because they did not have health insurance. What's your point? And maybe we have more people diagnosed with diabetes because we have more people who don't watch their diet.Maybe we have more patients diagnosed with diabetes because the Dr is paid for ordering a blood sugar but not for putting the patient on a diet. Maybe we need to focus on healthcare and not flat screen TVs and fresh baked cookies. Maybe we need more hospitals in rural areas instead of 4 or 5 in one city block. And maybe we need to put a price on healthcare. I find it ridiculous that we cap a 2 year olds tooth when it's going to fall out. Maybe we should lecture parents not to give their children fruit juice in a bottle.

[Donna Corbett]

For all the money Americans spend on Cancer = we should have the best success rate. The person above is selective in comparing our success. Many who spend far less have better success rates.
http://rex.nci.nih.gov/NCI_Pub_Interface/raterisk/rates39.html